i have been sworn to secrecy on a couple of matters that will soon be evident in this regard.
sorry to be 'cryptic' here - but timing is everything when one is trying to bring the very serious [and often ignored in the press] matter of child sexual abuse to the fore.
with barbara anderson's permission, i reproduce part of pages 66 to 68 here for discussion..
Too bad that Jehovah's Witness parents go along with such garbage in any state!
How can a victim have two witnesses watching such an act! It really does fall on the parents to protect their children no matter what an organization claims! I know that parents are manipulated and controlled by the WTBTS not to press charges, but it still is the parents job to protect their children not any organization.
how long do you estimate that the watchtower org.
until the next failed prophecy?, or will it go on until armageddon ( only kidding)???.
chukky.
Jehovahs Witness has been preaching for 90 years, like the days of Noahs who preached 120 years before the flood, so add 90 to the 1914 equals 2004 plus thirty years. 2034 according to WT in 2004.
But in my mind one more day is not soon enough!
therefore the great multitude could not appear prior to 1918. riches pg 297, paragraph 2.. the identification of the great multitude has not heretofore been clear to those creatures on earth who served god.
evidently john, being in doubt, propounded the question as to the identity of the great multitude.
had he known, he would not had asked the question.
These questions are based on quotes from the above books! Just to show that the John class of today still think they are getting divine inspired light, flashes of light! It was kind of strange to see they believed in speaking in tongues in Rutherford's time which was considered the end of the 144,000 class with only 8,800 a live today.
Thanks for replying to my questions which were written because of quotes from the Riches and Revelation It Grand Climax Is At Hand!
therefore the great multitude could not appear prior to 1918. riches pg 297, paragraph 2.. the identification of the great multitude has not heretofore been clear to those creatures on earth who served god.
now, however, we see that the great multitude could not be identified by the followers of christ jesus until the coming of the lord to the temple.
evidently john, being in doubt, propounded the question as to the identity of the great multitude.
Hello Heathen, the above quotes are taken from Rutherfords books and also Revelation It Grand Climax Is At Hand expresses that at one time WTBTS did speak in tongues at the assemblies. Later, they believe there was flashes of Divine Light! That is the point!
As far as Jesus cleansing his Temple, it appears that in these writings the WTBTS and Rutherford believe they are the earthly temple, but let us not forget that in 1914 or was it 1915 that Satan was cast out of heavens. That was probably in the holy of holies close by Jehovah thrones. LOL
YOU need to re read my entire post because the question goes with the books I quoted. But thank you for noticing! No one else did!
how good of a debater are you?.
i was recently reading some old threads on jwd back in the days when a poster named "youknow" was here.
(2002) he would stand toe-to-toe (or at least he thought he did) with the likes of alanf, refiners fire, seven006, and many others.
I think I would do ok if I was just as prepared with the topic. Mainly, most JW are a broken record! It always the samething.
Also, I noticed they really just quote one scripture from a chapter here and there which is taken out of contexts to what the chapter is referring! It like the latest KM look how wrong it was with the scriptures they quoted! Well it is the samething with the debates!
Most of these people are prepared and have an agenda! So really are they honest? If not YOU can slam dunk the hell out of them and leave their faces in the pavement. Then have a cold one! Oh and if you question them in person they will always say the same thing. If they do not know the answer: they say YOU should know this answer, YOU have been a JW for a long time! Well what can you say after that one! because you really do know the answer to any question you had asked them. plus some! So how can you challenge them to get them stimulated when they come back with that kind of silly reply!
please post your view, then some scriptures to back it up.
then look at what the bible has to say.. my view is simple.
jesus did rise from the dead with his physical tangeble body and he had the marks to prove it.. my scriptural proof are as follows,.
I think there is a scripture where Jesus was given power to resurrect himself. Also, Jesus resurrection out of his grave but was did not asend to heaven until later. The JDUBs teach that when Jesus asension happen In Acts his body change(etheral) into the clouds. Because flesh and bones does not go into heavens.
As far as his resurrection, he had power to do what ever he wanted to do but when Marys went to see him he was not prepared to go to heaven as yet and they should not touch him. I just thought I would mention that one.
I know they did not recognize him but he did eat and Thomas touched him so does that mean he was prepared to go into heavens?
It all interesting! one more thing I like the fact that while Jesus was in the grave he preached to the one who were put into darkness.
It is getting late!
raised as one of jehovah's witness i was taught that christmas was pagan!
one reason was the miss use of false images of jesus and mary.
the catholic church members bowed down to the image of mary and jesus.
Pin Tail cute tree with Santa Claus. YOU did not make it if you cut the darn thing down, so it really is not an image! It is real!
A picture is not consider a statue! Did you carve the tree? NO
raised as one of jehovah's witness i was taught that christmas was pagan!
one reason was the miss use of false images of jesus and mary.
the catholic church members bowed down to the image of mary and jesus.
It makes you wonder if the Watchtower which is suppose to be a tower and a watcher watching in the night, but maybe it really is Nimrod's tower!
i knew what the watchtower taught regarding the "faithful & discreet slave class" but how they could ever suggest that "domestics" were "individual members" of the anointed that were given food to the other anointed ones, yet they specifically were not members of the governing body, but the governing body represented the group that would take the lead in feeding others, was beyond me!
the whole interpretation of the fds doctrine is ridiculous!.
were there certain things that puzzled you as to how the watchtower could come up with a particular view?
Years ago, I posted this on Silent Lambs but I no longer have the quote or book to back it up. It was a little girl sitting on a man's lap. The quote, "Even demons can make you fondle a child's sex organs." The paragraph said that when a child comes forward. The person who the child is blaming and child can come together and that would help the person. So they protected the sick person!
So blame everything on demons! I took the book and quote to a professional and he said that no religion would write such a thing! and to get by with it he must have been a very sick person and high up in the religion. He said it was a mind of a perverted person. Also, why would someone want to write something and allow young children to view this subject? only to gain his own personal kick. Most Christians try to protect their young from subjects like this one.
any help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
Okay Grey, If you want to open her mind some and you are a JW. Perhaps you need to start with having fun with scriptures. I hope you and your future wife have a long marriage and enjoy the WTBTS which in my heart I know they are not the truth.
Is there something that you would like to teach her that you wonder about with the JWs?
